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Negotiating Grades

  1. pink101
  2. pradocg
  3. pink101
  4. groanwomannow


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1.   Sep 13, 2006 6:44 AM

» pink101 - Interesting Comments

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These are interesting comments you've made in your article for September 13, 2006.
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It looks to me that they go much deeper than the teacher/student relationship. The idea that grades--in and of themselves--signify anything regarding achievement seems to have gone with the wind some time ago.
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When individuals can develop into the richest and most successful in society after being a drop-out from high school or college, we have to realize something is going down as in a global shift. What has higher learning come to be?
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My grandson enrolled in the University of Michigan at my urging. I knew that Ann Arbor was the place to be for getting a worthwhile education. I never attended formal classes; but, I've been involved in classes provided by the business institute there and have had very close relationships with an individual who got their masters from the soc dept at Michigan. My experience was that the entire environment was one that encouraged the highest standards in education.
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Was I surprised on my first visit in the fall of 2004 to see how wrong I had been. The screwballs I saw walking around and the stories my grandson told me about the medioctrity were almost too hard to believe. Maybe it was just the particular school in which he was enrolled at the U of M; but, it was a travesty. Rediculous.
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Needless to say, he quit the university after his first semester and enrolled at little Hope College in Holland, Michigan, where he is involved in some true education. I know that this experience doesn't tell the entire story; but, it speaks to something i seem to have stumbled on. And, I'm wondering if you have anything to say about it from the standpoint of ethics.
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What I am denoting is the ideas of iconocism. The word is difficult to research and I've started a thread in the general forum to see if I can get any input of ideas. Maybe not. Do you have anything to say about it in connection with your recent paper? We do seem to live in times where our identity has more to do with the groups to which we belong than anything of serious substance. Does a 4 point end up being an icon that helps us understand the value of a person? And, if it does, what have you said about grades in your article? happy
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-- posted by pink101

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2.   Sep 13, 2006 8:45 AM

» pradocg - Interesting Comments

In response to Interesting Comments posted by pink101:
"Iconocism"; I'd actually not come across the term before, but it's a good one. The ancient greeks defined themselves in terms of their roles: parent, political figure, etc. Much of their writing on suicide strongly suggested that as the roles disappeared because of age, they had less and less to live for because there was, in a real sense, less and less of them. If you're right about iconocism, we're defining ourselves with memberships and trademarks and shared characteristics like 4-point averages. If all of that is more or less right, I guess one of the things I was saying is that we're going for cheaper and cheaper self-defining icons.

-- posted by pradocg

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3.   Sep 13, 2006 8:53 AM

» pink101 - Readers Might

In response to Interesting Comments posted by pradocg:
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Interested readers might be interested in this link:
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http://www.mediatedtdez.com/2005/03/medi...
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-- posted by pink101

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4.   Sep 16, 2006 3:38 PM

» groanwomannow - Sept. 13 - grades


It sounds very Canadian, Dr. Prado,
I see it as the professional standardization now. It is a formula, like forms, to create paid experts who can fill them in, no matter how small the squares get and to make no decisions. "Just call 1-800's" Technology is misused with and by them to help do it faster and faster, and more invisibly, like they're doing some THING. Of course, the elite of the young have to be trained in this style as "martial" artistic military masters of the unreal world they will go deeper into - for "work" placement - dominating-ly like all "Proper English" unrecognized Imperialists - being taught from smaller Windows, that there is only one standard of living - theirs - to take for granted - that they've been given - without knowing that "really" either.
i.e.
I Am,
outside
working at righting too
Dutch in DNA
all ready
and "uneducated"
in one way
as I re-COGnize I Am now
- a round peg,
- LLO

-- posted by groanwomannow

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